I have made this suggestion as Grenadier Guards are often in servers where there are no Commissioned Officers or RMP to assist them. Grenadier Guards should be able to cuff Coldstream Guards (and potentially Horse Guards) as it can obstruct their duties when they just start getting harassed and/or they join in with them when they shouldn’t. Also when vacating a post, if there is no RMP/ Commissioned Officers in the server, we cannot do anything. We just have to more or less deal with it.
This will definitely not be added to limit abuse.
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This feels a bit unnecessary and is unlikely to happen.
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Limit abuse? Most serious division members wouldn’t abuse cuffs. And how is it unnecessary? We have to switch servers because of things like this, and your on our side? Even if we ask a Chief Officer, they just leave them be.
If you want perms to cuff people, join RMP.
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The only understandable reason for why this should be added for some people is if somebody id both actively RMP and GG. Even then, there would be loads of regulations and much more. In general, not worth the fuss.
You said “most”. There have been instances of specialist members abusing their powers. This is why chief and commissioned officers, along with RMP, have the ability to handcuff/zip tie specialist members.
Keep in mind, there would most likely be increased regulations in cuffing divisionals. And that is why I said COLDSTREAM.
As much as I trust Grenadier Guards, they are not trained in handling Royal Guards nor require the same level of understanding of the regulations. Keep in mind that GGs are not evaluated on their ability to determine whether a Royal Guard broke a rule, nor how to handle it. So that’s a big no from me.
Though I’m not against maybe allowing SNCOs to have that ability, but that would either require a qualification or service wide training.
100% Disagree. We’re supposed to be professional and guard. Not shase Coldstreamd or Blues and Royals or cuff them out of posts.
As Alex said, they would have to be thoroughly trained if this were to happen. It would be like going through RMP academy if you signed up for the Grenadier Guards.
I entirely agree with you. I may not have gone entirely into detail in my message but the idea behind allowing them to detain Royal Guards would be mostly for operational needs, as in dealing with guards disturbing them, enacting discipline on their lower ranked counterparts and for events where they may need them such as trainings and the like. I do not mean for them to go and chase after Royal Guards that go awol and whatnot as that is the job of RMPs.
Edit: Oops, though I saw you reply to me, but oh well at least that explains better what I meant.
Definitely disagree with adding this. There is realistically nothing RG can do that actually prevents GG from doing things. Making someone vacate a post is not a big enough deal to warrant giving an entire division cuff perms and would just add to the number of cuff abusers imo.
Me being a Grenadier Guard for over 6 months, I too have faced your frustration. However, if we had that authority to cuff RG gone rouge, it would be unfair for RMP and perchance make LG feel a little left out.
I think that the regulations we have as a division should be sufficient. If those RG continue to pester, either make a ticket or call RMP.
idk about GGs, but we should add an RMP like Role to police too. Which is then mainly responsible to check if Police is following the Rules. Lke somekind of “Internal Affairs” unit or smth. Those would then (if needed cause no RMP) be able to cuff RGs if necessary.
That’s what MET COs and the report system are for.
I get where your going with this suggestion but as stated by alot of people already this will not happen, GG do not need the perms to cuff Coldstream Guards or even Horse Guards, GG are a Ceremonial and Combative Regiment they do not hold authority to cuff others, if you really want to cuff others then as stated before you can join RMP alongside being in GG or just join the CO team for these perms, I really don’t see this getting added as it conflicts with the duties of CO’s and RMP.
I think GG’s should be able to cuff people as they are a very serious footguard division and they could hold the responsibility of cuffing Coldstream guards. Plus GG’s sometimes get harassed by other Royal Guards so In conclusion I think the grenadier guards should be able to cuff Coldstream guards. But their should be some extra training done separately for this perm.
No shade to GG but I can speak from personal experience that there are definitely some who couldn’t be trusted with that responsibility. If people are being harassed then that’s a LS issue and cuffing them wouldn’t solve the problem.
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You are not trained to deal with trolls. What if you actually got cuff perms, and you saw a recruit going outside? Once you get powers, you are never just going to use it for a single thing. You will obviously just say “oh well there’s no one else to help” and go outside and cuff them in, eventually TAKING over RMPs job, except you are untrained to do so -therefore they won’t give you it.
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