Developers,
I stand here with all my civilians. Face it, we get as many updates as LG. Spoiler alert. That is not a lot. You guys are downgrading it now with the new update. Civilians can’t even have some of the basic realism in this game.
Let me explain some common sense even a 5 year old understands. You have a gun. It is loaded. You can shoot it. If it hits someone enough in the right places, they die, no matter what they are holding.
I get the fact you could argue about it helping people at spawn who are unarmed, but then give them a cool-down where they won’t die, like 2 minutes. Even less.
You guys want a game which will be fun to play and for it to be active. If there are no civs, who are the RG protecting from? Why are MPS there without law breakers? Why would there be LAS when it would be completely safe? This is all because of civilians quitting. If the biggest Organised Crime Groups have disbanded making us in first place, why is that not a problem. Someone cuff abuses you and takes your weapons, you can’t save them. This is basic things we need to play the game. If you don’t have money, why won’t you try and get help by dying before reaching NSY and not have to wait 20 minutes of your life to get out.
I suggest you all think about what you are doing and why this is happening. If you want this game to die, so be it but we don’t. We want to play but you won’t give us basic needs.
If unarmed civs run you over, you can’t shoot them for self defence? This is all unfair so I ask you all to vote with me, to reverse this change and to get out basic needs as civilians.
From,
Hollow Scouts Commander,
Kevin.
I agree 1000% remove it IMEADITLY IN FACT RN REMOVE RNNN
ALL CIVS DISLIKE THIS UPDATE BOOO
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Please fix this, I agree with this 100%
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You said “Civilians can’t even have some of the basic realism in this game.” but realistically there’s over ~50,000 knife offences recorded last year in England & Wales and only ~6,300 offences involving firearms. That makes ~41% homicides include knives, and another ~4.9% with firearms.
“If there are no civs, who are the RG protecting from? Why are MPS there without law breakers? Why would there be LAS when it would be completely safe?” - Royal Guards are guarding Buckingham grounds because it’s their duty and tradition, Met Police is there as a law enforcement unit so that they prevent crime before it happens and keep peace. LAS is there because it’s their duties in-case of when an accident happens - not everything is intentional and you can get hurt anywhere and everywhere.
“If you don’t have money, why won’t you try and get help by dying before reaching NSY and not have to wait 20 minutes of your life to get out.” - If you’re really quitting the game and you’re upset about it, maybe you should look at this from a different perspective? You’re all about how it’s so difficult to play as a civilian, but what would the PTV you just ambushed with your 5 ferraris would say? What would the unarmed divisions and officer you’re targetting say?
Maybe you should just try playing the game differently - or if you’re still upset about the said “realism” which i already explaiend above - quit.
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I know you don’t really care what we have to say about the updates but trust me when I say this, this game is on a wrong trajectory. Major OCGs have been disbanded because civs aren’t getting enough updates, and the power balance between civs, RG, and MET is way off.
We’ve called out tools like PAVA as overpowered and unrealistic over and over, but instead of fixing that, you’re adding changes that make civs even weaker. That’s ridiculous. How is it “realistic” to stop us from taking out unarmed civs? You pushed realism with the new driving system, but where’s that realism now? Shoot someone, they die. It’s simple. Why make things harder for civs? You said you wanted realism, then threw invisible walls around BP, making “raid the palace” in the game description feel like a lie. Raiding BP is nearly impossible.
This isn’t what we want. We’re demanding change. Revert this new update and fix the imbalance of power between Civs and MET.
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Of course a Deputy Commander who’s also probably friends with the devs comes to defend the new updates. Not a surprise honestly
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So what, no more civilians, why does MPS just keep getting buffed up with better weapons and tolls but all we get are downgrades. You’re being biased right now. In real life, if there are 5 Ferraris chasing a PTV, get some ARV and Mo8 to escort you. Not that hard, RG are here today to protect the place from civilians who can’t do anything so your absolutely wrong.
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I’m not friends nor assiosicated nor affiliated with any developers. I’m not a DCmdr either. I lead my own unit and have my own opinions. If you were actually a bit smart and read what I said - you’d notice that I never defended anything but stated basic facts and knowledge.
You can have your own opinions but we aren’t allowed to have ours and should just quit playing the game? What a fool you are
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Give me one real life example from where a PTV was chased by the said ferraris. Give me an example from when they were chased by ANYTHING. Like I said, Royal Guards are there because it’s their duty. Another point is that MO8 isn’t always available, planned escorts like those take time and are impossible because of the said ferraris who launch cars into space. You mentioned that I’m being biased - but aren’t you being biased towards civilians? I made a point from the MPS POV of the situation earlier - but you just seemed to completely ignore it? You also mentioned ARV - but you earlier said that “someone abuses you and takes your guns” I take that you meant the same ARVs you just told me to get to escort, included in the said abusers? Interesting.
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Quote where I told you that you cannot have your own opinions, or stop acting like you own the world and start stating facts - not made up tomofoolery.
Stop what? I’ve overthrown your point so you’re telling me to stop? Your mate just told me “You can have your own opinions but we aren’t allowed to have ours and should just quit playing the game?” - so now I ask you the same question; am I not allowed to have my own opinions?
Read my first msg here, those are plain facts buddy. Or is it that you refuse to hear our side of the argument?
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Dear Kevin,
I understand you’re frustrated, but let’s put some facts on the table, because what you’re asking for isn’t just unrealistic, it completely disregards the purpose, design, and balance of the game.
This game is based on London, not Los Santos. London is a city where firearms are strictly controlled, and gun crime is rare, not the norm. According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), in the entire UK, gun-related homicides account for less than 4% of all homicides annually. Most frontline police officers in London don’t even carry firearms. So no the idea that every civilian should be running around with a gun “because realism” is fundamentally flawed.
You also argue that civilian gameplay is being “downgraded.” In reality, what’s being removed is misuse - such as shooting people with no consequences, dying to avoid jail, or griefing other players under the excuse of being a “civilian.” That’s not roleplay.
Your complaints about law enforcement existing “only because of civs” is misguided. Police, Royal Guards, LAS, etc., exist because the game simulates a functioning society, not because they need criminals to validate them. Realistic policing, public safety, and interaction are core to this game - and they’re what attract players, not chaos.
You mention OCGs disbanding that’s not the developers’ fault. If the only thing keeping an OCG alive is the ability to misuse mechanics, then it’s not a group worth keeping around. Successful groups adapt to the systems in place. Blaming devs for a group’s collapse shows a lack of leadership. And let’s be blunt: the entirety of the OCG scene has been overwhelmingly toxic.
Deputy Assistant Commissioner,
R0BFISHY
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Remove firearms entirely then and handicap the civilians
Who knows? There’s a very high chance ferraris have intercepted PTVs. It isn’t going to all be on camera
This game is different from real life, it should be balanced
Civilians are just getting nerfed more and more by every update idk why there evern adding guns or did if ther ejust gonna nerf us dont understand why we cant kill each other as civs we civs other civs dont mind being killed while cuffed etc so idk why any cops have to do in the matter that isnt there opionion its us the civlians that are being shot at and killed and we dont have a issue why fix it if none of us civs complaiend about it only people that could of are cops because they always want to be buffed to catch us easier they dislike that they have to struggle at all but thats what makes the game what it is its out opionion as civs if we want to die you devs shouldnt make this descision for us all of us civs disagree with this update in fact youve probaly lost almost 30% of your civ player base so far because of this update its just causing more damage to your game as well as the fact that the only thing that needs nerfing here are cops pava and tazing thats what really needs nerfing nothing on civ needs 1 ounce of nerfing at all we are already nerfed so much so many people quit because the game is being detroyed and ruined for civs its ruining the fun for civs now when it isnt fun for civs then it wont be fun for cops then what? the game starts losing cops to as they get bored and rg as well what will they do no action? Game gets less players day to day it gets more boring as im sure youve relized latley the game has been doing worse every update and you wonder why? Every update makes civlians nerfed its clear what the issue is the nerfing and over nerfing of our team should end we havent gotten a single buff ever as i can remember but guess who has? The police they have received buffs every update but us cilians? We get thrown under the bus and get thrown a nerf while they just get pure buffs this isnt what i call equality at all or making the game enjoyable and better for everyone as your ruining it for other civs as well this will lead to the demise of this game slowly and surley as each update we get nerfed more slowly as time ticks we get fewer less players every update and thats the issue.
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